{"id":9638,"date":"2026-07-15T07:34:18","date_gmt":"2026-07-15T07:34:18","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bobwiseman.ca\/?p=9638"},"modified":"2026-07-19T23:09:09","modified_gmt":"2026-07-19T23:09:09","slug":"the-philosophers-and-machine-made-music","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bobwiseman.ca\/?p=9638","title":{"rendered":"the philosophers and machine made music"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Socrates and Plato walked through the Agora when they encountered a crowd gathered around a curious bronze box.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>From within came music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not merely melodies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Entire symphonies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Love songs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Funeral marches.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dance music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The box required no lyre, no flute, no singer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Only instructions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Tell me, Plato, who composed these songs?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> They say the machine did.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Ah. And who taught the machine?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Thousands of musicians, though many without knowing it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Curious. Then perhaps the machine resembles a student who has attended every lesson but never paid tuition.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plato smiled.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> That is one way of putting it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They listened to a song so convincing several merchants began humming along.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Is it beautiful?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Certainly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Then is beauty enough?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> You are already preparing a trap.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Only a question.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> No. Beauty is not enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Why not?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Because I wonder whether admiration changes when we discover no one struggled to produce it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Socrates nodded.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Let us examine that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Suppose two sculptors reveal identical statues.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One spent thirty years mastering marble.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The other pressed a button.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Should we admire them equally?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> We might admire the statues equally.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not the sculptors.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> So our praise is divided between the object and the life that produced it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Precisely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They walked on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A young man announced proudly that he had created two hundred songs before breakfast.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Is abundance evidence of excellence?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Usually it is evidence of abundance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Socrates laughed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Well answered.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A little farther along they heard another machine generate songs in every imaginable style.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Lizst.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mary Margaret O&#8217;Hara.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Heavy metal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Indian classical music.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bluegrass.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Opera.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Each arriving within moments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Does imitation require understanding?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Sometimes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Not always.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A parrot may pronounce justice without becoming just.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Then perhaps a machine may produce longing without ever longing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plato stopped.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> That may be the heart of it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The music can resemble grief.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>But resemblance is not grief.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Socrates remained silent for several moments.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Tell me, Plato.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When a mother sings to her child, what matters more?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The notes?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Or the mother?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> The child would probably answer, &#8220;The mother.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Then perhaps we have mistaken music for organized sound.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps music is organized relationship.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plato looked unconvinced.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Yet the child grows.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>One day the child may hear a recording by someone long dead and still weep.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Relationship survives absence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> A fair objection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps then music is not relationship alone.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps it is evidence that another consciousness once passed this way.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> And if the consciousness belongs to a machine?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Socrates smiled.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Does it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> I don&#8217;t know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Nor do I.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>They reached the edge of the city where an old musician sat tuning a cracked lyre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>His hands shook.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Several strings buzzed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>He began to play.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Mistakes appeared.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unexpected pauses.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The melody occasionally lost its way before finding itself again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>When he finished, neither philosopher spoke.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Finally Plato broke the silence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> The machine played more accurately.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Yet I cared less.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Why?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Plato thought for a long while.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>PLATO:<\/strong> Because while he played, I found myself wondering whether he would succeed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The machine had never been in danger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Socrates smiled.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>SOCRATES:<\/strong> Then perhaps risk is not an accidental feature of art.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps it 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